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Safra Turner explores control systems, spiritual sovereignty, natural law, the Matrix, and what it means to reclaim personal power during a collective awakening.

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What if the systems we take for granted are not as fixed as they seem?

In this conversation, Safra Turner shares how her path moved from military service, counterterrorism, policy, and governance into spiritual healing, conscious awakening, and the study of natural law. After being shut down online and losing access to much of her public work, Safra began looking more closely at the invisible systems that shape human behavior, belief, fear, and identity.

Together, we explore the difference between man’s law and universal law, why control-based systems depend on external validation, how Plato’s Cave helps explain spiritual awakening, and what it can look like to choose sovereignty without getting lost in blame.

This is a conversation about systems, yes. But more than that, it is a conversation about remembering who you are when the world feels designed to make you forget.

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Being Human As a Fractal of Source

Brandi Fleck: What does being human mean to you?

Safra Turner: I think this is the all-encompassing question, isn't it?

There is my version of reality. The way I view reality is that we are fractals of Source. We are God. God is us. We are a part of God. God is a part of us. The law of correspondence: as above, so below, as below, so above. We are literally creator experiencing creator in all of these different experiences, including here on the 3D.

Our experience in being human is to give that space to experience all experiences, to see the light, to feel the darkness, to have everything in between, to know what it is to love, to know what it is to hurt, to have those moments that you feel out of control and you just have to learn to let go, and to have those moments where you feel completely in control and on top of the world.

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To be human, for me, the way I view it, is very much that we are here to have that human experience, the experience of being in the likeness of man, in the likeness of creator, in the likeness of Source, and to experience just the entire smorgasbord of what there is to touch and to play with. This world is our oyster, and you can do anything you want with that oyster. There's nothing stopping us except our minds. And so to be human is to have the human experience, whatever that may mean for each of us here on this planet.

Brandi Fleck: Oh, I love that. Thank you so much.

Safra Turner: Yeah, it's certainly a guide. That's for sure.

Brandi Fleck: Yeah, I personally have similar beliefs. It's always interesting to see how people respond to that question. And I love all the answers, but this one particularly resonates. So it's exciting.

Safra Turner: Yeah. There's something special in recognizing yourself as the creator of your experience and being able to have that experience.

I have a friend who is dealing with cancer right now, and it's potentially life-ending cancer. And one of the things that she talks about is how, if she had her choice, it wouldn't be like this. It would be different. But because it is like this, she chooses to be in the flow of the experience and to grow from the experience and to share through the experience. And I find that to be just an astounding, all-encompassing manner of being able to experience your reality, your experience, how it's happening. You may not have control of everything that's happening, but you sure do have control about how you respond to the experience around you.

Spiritual Healing and Conscious Awakening

Brandi Fleck: All right, everybody. Today we are welcoming to the show Safra Turner. She's joining us from rural Virginia, and she just launched iHolistica Institute. I will let her tell you all about that. But Safra, please, just give us a rundown on who you are and all the wonderful things you're doing.

Safra Turner: Thank you, Brandi. First of all, thank you, really thank you so much for having me here. It's very exciting and very fun to be speaking with you and your audience. Hi, audience.

My name is Safra. I am a healer. I've been healing for about 30 years now, on and off. I've always had gifts, all the different gifts. As a child, seeing spirits, being scared by the spirits, being a strong empath and experiencing people and their emotions, even people I never knew. Walking down the street, all of a sudden, I would burst into tears from somebody else's pain. It was a lot to hold on to. And so as a young child, I managed to suppress it, as many of us that are in the healing world and the light working world have managed to do. And at a later point in life, I chose to come back to it.

So I became a Reiki healer when I was 18 years old while I was actually actively serving as one of the first female combat soldiers over in Israel in the IDF. It was very interesting because it created this parallel in my life from that moment onwards of experiencing what it is to have one foot in each world, the world of spirit and the world of what we consider our physical reality, the experience, the reality.

From then forward, I've just always been healing, whether it's animals, people. A little over 10 years ago, I started a business, one of the fun online businesses. I did a lot of work. It started off simple, supporting mothers through their difficulties as they navigate the world and their anxieties. And it very, very quickly grew into full-on advanced healing work and developing a variety of programs to support individuals through. It starts off as healing. It ends up being a conscious awakening, a conscious expansion.

The work that I've done over these years is to support individuals into their conscious expansion. There's a little rule that we had back in that old day of, “Sell them what they want, give them what they need.” And that's pretty much the way it works. People will come for a healing session or they'll come for emotional support, and they'll come out with their minds blown three months later in an entirely new reality, following their path, standing their ground, knowing who they are. It's just a beautiful experience.

So that is an overall of what I have done up until about five years ago. About five years ago, when COVID hit, my business got shut down. They went hardcore after me. I was kicked off of Facebook. I lost my beautiful group over there. I lost pretty much anywhere that I could be online. I was no longer allowed online. I lost my website, et cetera, et cetera. And I used that time both to walk a dark night, of course. Those are very, very difficult moments of learning what it is to be alone and to be lonely, which is a new experience for me, but also to take that time to turn within.

And to truly learn and to grow and to observe the world as it was playing out around us and how I could be a support in this world as it played out in the manner that it chose to play out around us.

Over time, going through that process, there was a small group that stuck with me, that we went through advanced training. They are what are light warriors these days. Each of them have grown into their own. These are students that started off with, let's say, a healing session. Now we walk together, which is always the goal of an educator and a mentor, always, that they're walking together or that they are advancing well beyond anywhere you would have ever gone. That's the goal.

So about six months ago, I spent a month hiking the Appalachian Trail, healing, growing, yelling, screaming, forgiving, going through the entire gamut of the process. And I was reminded of this institute that I planned on starting about six years ago, which had to just pause. So I got set up, have been working ever since, have developed this institute in a very special format. This is different than, I would say, going anywhere else in a number of ways.

First and foremost, this is not something about the money. Yes, there are going to be sales here or there. Yes, you can absolutely do a diploma-based program if you want. Yes, you can work with it. But the important thing is not to sell something, rather to spark something. We're here to spark.

The work that I do, the work that we do at the institute, is to spark your soul, to reignite you, to help you to remember, to reconnect to who you truly are, to know thyself, to step into your sovereignty, and to step into your power.

That means that the work that we're doing at the institute includes things. We have a suppressed book library, for example, called the Living Library, of books over the past couple of thousand years that have just disappeared to the annals of time or have been suppressed or have been hidden. Gnosis, Gnostic information that has just disappeared and is reappearing. We have a section there of articles as well that is all scientific, academic-based.

The point here is that what we're doing and what our work is now is to bring in that conscious awakening in whatever manner it sparks. People can come and just play on the site, and that's the beginning and that's the end of it, and that makes me happy. Nobody ever needs to buy anything from me ever, and that makes me happy because the work that we are doing here is about awakening the spirit, awakening our consciousness, expanding our mind, and blowing through these constraints that we have, whether we are conscious or not, developed around ourselves.

So that's the majority of the work. And then on the side, I will help people through their cancers. We had someone who had seizures in a hospital a couple months ago. We got him out of the hospital because the doctors couldn't do anything about it. We got him out in a couple of hours. We have a guy with stage four cancer. We brought him back to health a year or so ago. It's just normal in my world. So that is how people get to come in and experience.

Brandi Fleck: Wow. That's all amazing. And I can tell you're really passionate about what you do.

Safra Turner: Yeah. Very much so.

Natural Law, Universal Law, and Man’s Law

Brandi Fleck: If you don't mind me asking, why was the work you were doing shut down? Why did they come after you?

Safra Turner: This goes into, right about the time that COVID hit, I was introduced to natural law. And I was introduced to universal law, not as our spiritual woo-woo, like, “Oh, universal law,” like, “Oh, law of correspondence,” whatever, but rather as the depth of what universal law is. And natural law is simply the physical implementation of universal law on our 3D experience, on our planet. That's it, just 3D.

I, at the same time, began to become aware of man's law. Man's law being the implementation of these systems over us, which we call justice or legal systems, which are applied unevenly and inconsistently across the board. Whereas universal law, natural law are evenly consistent across the board.

What that means, an example of this would be something, I want to get something that's not too crazy. You could have Sharia law over in Saudi Arabia, for example. And if a woman got in trouble for something in Saudi Arabia, she could potentially be stoned for that experience. Here in the United States, where we are under supposedly constitutional law, and through that law, our law is based on layers and layers of precedence, if a woman had the same crime, if she was accused of the same crime, she might well get a slap on the wrist and keep going.

It's not applied evenly across the board. Whereas natural law, universal law, it's absolutely even across the board. It doesn't matter if you are man, woman, Saudi Arabia, America, if you are a tree, or if you are a cougar. It doesn't matter.

And as I became aware of that, I became aware of how the systems were being used to manipulate and control our minds into believing that we are, in fact, confined, constrained into these systems where these systems are actually artificial.

Safra Turner: They are chosen. We accept them because we consent to them. But they are artificial systems. The awareness of that is not something that bodes very well for the powers that be, especially when you're teaching that out loud.

And so that got me very shut down very quickly. I also saw through a lot of the propaganda. I learned a lot in those moments. I would watch things happen in front of my face that I experienced myself and watch how the news would manipulate it into something completely different. And I would watch this and say, “But I was there physically. I was in that space where that happened. And what you are saying is not what happened. Why is this? Why are we falling for this? Why are we falling into this game? Why are we accepting this?”

Because a lot of people didn't necessarily fall for things, but they consented. And I began to recognize the rules of the game are if we consent or if we're complicit, we've accepted. That's how their rules work. So that became something that really got me in a lot of trouble. And the trouble being that I was not allowed to share, talk, do my work, or my healing. And then, of course, well before they came out with their remedy for COVID, I and others like me that were also censored and also suppressed had the remedies, knew the remedies. But that wasn't very safe for the propagandists.

Brandi Fleck: Gotcha. Well, I think this is, first, let me just say that that must have been really difficult to go through.

Safra Turner: Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for seeing me.

Military Service, Counterterrorism, and a Spiritual Path

Brandi Fleck: Yeah. And just for our listeners' sake, I think it will help them to know that you have a background in counterterrorism, military, policy think tanks, and governance. And so based on that background, I'm sure you probably saw lots of things.

So let's dive into the part of it where your desire to have a spiritual path kind of paralleled that desire to make a difference in those spaces. How did you reconcile that? What was it? Was it even?

Safra Turner: Sure. It was interesting to say the least. I was younger then. I was more naive then.

I saw the world from a different perspective. And I had a belief, a belief. I'm very, very careful and specific when it comes to language. To believe something is to be a lie. All right. Not a knowing, a belief. I had a belief back then that in order for me to make the greatest impact in the world, ever since I was a child, it was, “I'm going to save the world. I'm going to make a difference in the world.” I have a sign up here: “Be the change you wish to see in the world.” It's who I am. It's my core.

And I believed that in order for me to be able to make that difference, to be that difference, to create that ripple that turns into that wave, whether I see it or not, I had to be involved in whether it was governmental or a non-governmental organization or some kind of work where I was actively, physically implementing that belief system of mine.

It started, of course, like I said earlier. I served in the IDF, and I was very proud of my service. I love my service. I also, at the same time, and this I think is very important to understand, especially here in America with what's going on and perceptions, in Israel, we've never had this “I hate you and you hate me” thing. It was governments. It's always been governments. We've never hated one another. And I've had many friends of all religions throughout.

But then during that time, it was a period where I was spiritually waking up in the military, while serving in the military, while finding terrorists, where it was us or them, basically, for our communities in the northern border, while having friends of all religions, races, ages, and sexes. It was very fascinating.

It was an interesting experience because there was no line to walk. It was simply that was the reality. But by the time I hit college, it's, “How am I going to change the world?” Well, I feel this. I'm sure you know this feeling. I'm sure many of you as the audience know this feeling as well, that feeling of there's so much more out there. I don't know what it is, but it's there. How do I get there? How do I open that door?

So I always had that feeling of, I have this door, and all I need to do is open it and step through. Step through that threshold. But to me, for whatever reason, I was not able, even in university, as I'm studying, what was it? What did I major in? I don't even know. Governance or whatever I majored in. It was fun times. Counterterrorism, policy, negotiation strategy. It was fun. But it was all about governance. And I'm minoring in religion in my American university before I transferred over to an Israeli university.

Even my professor, I was taking Tibetan Buddhist debate as one of my classes, and he couldn't understand how I was Israeli and how I'd served in the military. It wouldn't make sense in his head what kind of person could you possibly be if you were like that, and how could you be studying Buddhism?

And I could not wrap my mind around this divide. Because that's what it is, is a divide. We've created these divides amongst ourselves.

So moving forward, I moved back to Israel, and I graduated and I did my master's degree over there. I spent a number of years both as an intern and as employed in an international policy think tank. And then I also interned for a number of years at an international counterterrorism think tank. I also created a lobby over in Israel to support immigrants. And I was the executive director of an international organization to support Jewish peoplehood or connectivity amongst the Jewish people.

So I was in the heartbeat of Israel, of the Jewish world, of the counterterrorism world, of the policy world. We would put together international conferences, bringing, back then I think it was Tony Blair, bringing people like Tony Blair and Dr. Ruth into the same room. It was crazy cool, crazy fun.

And during those times, however much I loved it and I wasn't questioning it then, it was ego. It was very, I think of it, of these individuals, I think a lot of, they're so intelligent. There's so much intelligence to it, but it's all about strategy. It's all about moving those board, the chess pieces on the boards, right? How is that going to play out? How is that going to affect? What is that going to do? And how is that going to either protect the country or protect the West or protect this or do whatever it is that we're doing? And it was very much of an us versus them mentality.

And again, I didn't realize that during that time. I was in the shadow of greatness, like, “Oh, right. It's amazing. This is so cool. I'm saving the world in these things.”

At some point, I got to the point where I was, and I don't believe this is true. I believe it was more of a firewall, but I was considered overqualified for everything, everything that I applied for. And I spent a number of years not being able to be hired for any jobs. I didn't understand why. I didn't understand what had happened there.

There was a particular job, and I'm sharing this just because I think this was such a very interesting experience that occurred, where I was invited by a South African community to be a, in Israel, it's known as a shlicha, or an emissary, where I go and I kind of come from Israel to support the community when they're dealing with whether they're interested in moving to Israel, whether they're dealing with antisemitism, cultural Jewish Judaism. It was a really, really fun thing. It's a big thing. It's a fun thing.

And I was invited by them. The executive director of my school at that time had recommended me. And I went to the offices to get tested to be prepared for going. I did the test and I came back a month later, like, “No, you're not going.”

I'm just like, “What do you mean? Everybody wants me. What do you mean I'm not going?”

They wouldn't tell me. They wouldn't explain it. Looking back, I can see that I'm divergent. I'm different. I question things. I don't just take things at face value. This is the way it needs to be. Someone gives me orders, even in the military. They had asked me three times before I confirmed that I'll be an officer. And then at the end, they tried to switch something. I was like, “You know what? Never mind. I don't owe this to you. I'm not playing these games.”

I question things. And that's something that doesn't necessarily work well in a control-based system.

So moving forward, I found that there simply was not able to marry between the spirit and the soft version of making a difference in the world. It just simply would not connect.

Even as I was an executive director of a Jewish organization on campus, in America and Canada and all over the world, called Hillel, and that's very spiritual, and it's very connected to religion, I couldn't make that connect. And only looking back was I able to realize that it was because if I was to grow, I needed to have all of these experiences. If I was to grow into where I am now, where I can observe the world in observation, not in you versus me or I hate you because you're like this or we're different because whatever the reason, and rather to observe it, if I hadn't had those experiences, if I hadn't gone through that process, I wouldn't have been able to see both sides of the coin.

Brandi Fleck: Gotcha.

Safra Turner: So then came the spiritual growth and development, and I chose to focus on that. And that's been where, in the past, the spiritual work that I would do was kind of the underlaying to the government and the, about 10 years ago, that became the full-on, full-force forward. And that's where it began, and that's where it ended. And that's it.

The Matrix, Control Systems, and Plato’s Cave

Brandi Fleck: So it's history. I heard you say control-based system, the base 10 system. And I know that before, we talked a little bit before we got on here, and you've mentioned the Matrix or the 10 Matrix. Will you tell us a little bit about what that is?

Safra Turner: Absolutely. So I'm going to preface this with, we all know there's something more out there. We all know, even if we aren't consciously aware, we're aware. Whether it's like something's wrong with the system, something's wrong with the world, something's a little bit off, why are people?

So right before COVID hit, I started waking up to the natural law and the universal law as true law, and recognizing the inconsistencies in man's law and recognizing, and when I say recognizing, again, being very careful with language here, recognizing, becoming cognizant of again. These are things that we know within ourselves, and now we are remembering, becoming cognizant of.

Around that time, as they started attacking me, and I didn't understand what I had done wrong, like, what is going on? I kind of knew I was different, but what? What's the big deal? I had to find out what's really going on. I'm not one to play dead. I had to figure out what was actually happening.

I'd always known that there was some kind of a matrix system, and I was never able to conceptualize because it's just like, is it like the movie, The Matrix? What do you mean there's a matrix? Like there's something. What does it mean? Is it literally ones and zeros on a screen?

So I dug a lot. And my digging, to make this clear, didn't start with, “What's going on in the modern world?” It started back in ancient Sumeria, ancient Assyria, going back through Egypt and understanding ancient tablets, ancient cultures, ancient belief systems, ancient astrologies. And I became aware that what we have that is currently playing out has been a system that is so long in the making. And we don't have time to go into the historical aspects of these, but as something that's going on for such a long, thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of years, which has slowly but surely developed into what is, you could say, almost like an artificial overlay over the natural order of things.

That I am aware of, and it's not that these are the only three, but these are the three that overarch in my world, in my worldview. We have what is the base 10 matrix, which is kind of like that artificial matrix system, and I'll go into that in just one second. We have what is known as the base 12 matrix. The base 12 matrix is the natural universal system. Basically the way that, just like natural law, universal law, this is the natural motherboard of the way that the experience is played out, reality is developed, how we perceive and how we create reality.

And then there is the fractal matrix, which is kind of the most obvious and yet the newest one in my conscious mind. It's the as above, so below law of correspondence. And anybody in the spiritual world is aware of law of correspondence: as above, so below, as within, so without, as below, so above. But somehow it never connected in my mind that that is literally the way it is, if that makes sense.

So these are kind of the three that I play around with. It's not all that there is out there. These are all mathematically based systems. The base 10 matrix is basically based on 10 as the mathematical base. Base 12 is going to be based on 12. And the rest is beyond me. The fractals are beyond me. I'm not there yet. I'm learning about Mandelbrot, but they're beyond me.

The base 10 matrix is basically this artificial overlay that we have over the natural order of things. What this means in our physical world over time has developed the isms and the institutions that we have that run our daily lives, that we believe is this is the way the world works, are not necessarily the way the world has to work. They are a conditioning of the way the world works, and we are convinced that they are true, and therefore we accept them as this is the way it is, whether or not it's true.

I'm going to translate this now. I just wanted the big thing. Let me translate this now. What that means is there's a number of systems that are overarching over all of us. All of us. We have things like religion, banking or money, the education system. We have the health system. I feel like I'm forgetting one. Governance, of course, the governance system. And when I say religion, I also put New Age and a lot of the spiritual woo these days because it's fairly superficial. We don't get very deep into our spiritual, not all of us, but it's kind of, we like to stop at love and light.

Brandi Fleck: Yeah, we do. We do.

Safra Turner: And so these are systems that keep us in a state of allowing ourselves to be controlled. People believe government has to be, but what is government if you take apart that word? Govern, this is Latin, okay? Govern is to govern, to rule, to rule over. Ment is mind. Government literally translates to “to rule the mind.”

If people are aware that that's what we have developed as a system over us, it's not to support us as a collective to grow and to expand into the beauty of love and light and becoming who we are meant to be. Rather, it's to control our minds, that we believe that this is the way that it needs to be. And then we go out and we're given two candidates to choose from or five candidates to choose from, depending on our country. And it's like, well, we have to choose between these two, but nobody considers the fact that they presented us with two and that was it. And that's what we have to, and we feel like we have to do it.

We believe that we have to be a part of the system in order to be a part of our world experience. And the way that they make this work, the clincher in it, is that they convince us that all of this is so because of an artificial ego demand for external validation. We need to be seen as, if you are a religious person, you need to be seen as a good whatever you are. In school, we have to do well. You can't fail a test. It doesn't matter if your mind doesn't work that way. Who cares? You have to do well. You have to succeed to get a good job, to work in a great job, to work until you're able to retire and to die. That's pretty much the way that the process works.

And with governance, you have to play an active role in order to say that you have tried to make the difference in the world, whether you have or haven't, irrelevant.

So they use these systems to convince us that this is the way that the world needs to be. But if you kind of just scratch beneath the surface, or we could utilize, if I may for one second, just kind of digress, we can use Plato's Allegory of the Cave.

Brandi Fleck: I love that. Yes.

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Safra Turner: And so you understand it. May I just spend one minute just explaining it?

Brandi Fleck: Absolutely.

Safra Turner: Fantastic. So if you look at Plato's Allegory of the Cave, the story, it's so simple and it's so profound. And the idea is that you have these individuals that live in a cave and they live their life facing the cave wall. And they have the fire that they use for their light and their heat or whatever, and that fire reflects the shadows of what is happening outside behind them. It reflects into the cave wall.

Now you have both what is reflecting out, and then you have the manipulators that will show you their puppets, and those shadows of those puppets will reflect onto the cave wall. The people aren't seeing what's at all outside. There's a glimmer of it. It's kind of there, but they have no idea it's there because they're facing this direction. And they have the puppeteers with their little shadow puppet things making these shadows against the cave wall.

The people see the cave wall, and they believe that that is reality. That is what is. All they have to do, all they have to do is turn around. That's it. And the moment that you turn around and you see, “Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh, there's light. Let there be light.” It's so different out there.

You can't really turn back. You could try to turn back. Sometimes I look at them, and they're so nice, to just be normal. But to do that would negate everything that I know, not believe, know to be true, know to be, know to exist. And that's just simply not a reality that I can choose.

Many of us can choose that. And I saw that play out during the COVID years as well, as many of my professional peers chose to stay silent knowing what was going on, chose to be complicit because they wanted to keep their businesses moving forward, chose to continue to pretend that nothing was going on when everything was going on. Because the COVID game was just a ruse for a lot of other things. I think we're aware of that. So anyway—

Brandi Fleck: I think people are really divided on that, actually.

Safra Turner: Oh, really? So my world is very small. My world is very small. And that's not the point of this conversation today, so I won't go down into that. But the idea with the Allegory of the Cave and the idea with our reality and the idea with the base 10 matrix is that it is simply the puppeteers showing us the shadows on the wall and telling us, and us believing that that is what is.

And all we have to do, which is not easy, it sounds simple, is release the desire and the need for external validation. Let go of the external.

Safra Turner: Voices, basically, and turn within. That's all we have to do. But to take the steps to do that means that you also have to step into an unknown. You have to step out of what you know. We know this reality as it is. We know that we're supposed to be sick. We know that we have to get our education all the way as high as we can. We know that we have to use money to make transactions. We know these things as what we are told is true.

And whether we want to or not, we accept them. It's not comfortable for us, but it's more comfortable for us than turning around. It's more comfortable than turning within ourselves. It's much easier to have something outside to talk to, to blame, to put responsibility.

Brandi Fleck: Okay. So the base 10 matrix is the overlay of systems that are basically conditioned in us that have been there for millennia.

Safra Turner: Yeah, more or less. You pretty much got it in one sentence, yes.

Conspiracy Theories and the People Behind Control Systems

Brandi Fleck: Okay. And just to clarify, when we're talking about they, like the people who are keeping this system in place, are we talking about government leaders? Who are they?

Safra Turner: Okay. So here is where, yes, we can go down this rabbit hole, and I'm okay to go down this rabbit hole. However, it's very important to me that we don't lose focus. Not in our conversation, but in the general conversation where we try to, “Well, it's their fault, and they did that,” but stop that and turn within.

The next level to that is, so who are they? Some of them we know. We think we know. Most of them, we have no idea. You're never going to know. These are architects of a system that are behind so many closed doors that the faces that we see, I say we as a collective, and I know that's not true. Maybe we as the conspiracy world, even though I'm not necessarily a conspiracy person, but I would definitely fall into being considered one, right?

Brandi Fleck: Right.

Safra Turner: A lot of people will turn and say, well, it's the, who do we have now? The Rothschilds or the Bill Gates, or these guys. And then those that kind of know a little bit more, kind of done their research and focused in that area more and more, they'll be like, well, you've got the 13 families and the 13 bloodlines, which is these really old, deep families of centuries and centuries and centuries.

If we know of them, it's not them. It's not them. So these are going to be the messengers, the emissaries, the ones that move between one world to the other, that implement from one world to the other, from the them, whoever they are, into bringing it over on the collective.

And I also want to say something that's very important to understand because I'm talking about such a big concept here. It doesn't take a lot to implement something. And if you think about it, it takes one match to start a forest fire. So when I'm talking about how they implement things, all it needs to be is the right sentence in the right news, whatever they call a presentation, at the right time for that to spread like wildfire amongst. It doesn't have to be that they sit and they're like, “Oh, we're going to A, B, C, D and implement it like this. We're going to do it like that.” That's not required because we're fairly easy to manipulate as a collective.

So it takes one thing. It takes one virus, let's say, or one belief that you can get into an education like that, or for them to be able to convince you that things have to be that way. And then that spreads. So my point is, it doesn't take a lot to do the work that they do on that puppeteering stuff. And who they are is, if we ever knew, they wouldn't be around very long, is my assumption. But we're never going to know because that's not the point.

And I have to make another point here. This is important because we're talking about this. We live in a dualistic universe. We exist within this. Now, all that is, or one, or Source, or energy, or however you want to look at that, that what created this universe, or whatever that even means, is a singularity. But this universe is dualistic. And that means that we have light and we have dark.

You'll never hear me say the evil ones or the bad ones because I don't play that game. We're in observation here. We're working from a state of, this is where we are. These are the choices that we're making that get us there.

However, what these guys are doing, everyone likes to go and blame, blame, blame, blame, if that is the belief that people stand in, or the knowledge that they stand in. I don't see it like that. What these are, what these whoever they are are doing, are supporting us in our awakening. Because for us, we are walking such darkness that you have to make the choice. At some point, you have to choose. Are you going to stay in darkness? Are you going to choose light? Are you going to continue in something that is comfortable but not working for you? Or are you going to say, “Well, maybe something needs to change, and I'm going to take my first step to make that change”?

So the words that I am using are not to place blame or to say negative or to talk badly on. Rather, it's just to say, this is the game. This is what we're dealing with. This is what we do with it.

Brandi Fleck: That makes a lot of sense. Observations, for sure.

Safra Turner: Exactly.

Sovereignty, Self Trust, and Personal Power

Brandi Fleck: Okay. So we've touched on a ton of big topics. So I just want to take a minute to kind of pull it all together. We've talked about how you started out in governance, policy, those types of things, military. Your spiritual path kind of pulled, well, you basically switched to the spiritual path because they couldn't coexist together. So you have a path that's taking you toward sovereignty, and then you have a path that is based in control.

Safra Turner: Yep.

Brandi Fleck: And then we're talking about the systems that are in place on those different paths. Is that kind of where we're at?

Safra Turner: Sort of. We're talking about the systems in place on that control path.

Brandi Fleck: The control path. Okay.

Safra Turner: When you're looking at the sovereign spirit, sovereign soul, the God path, you could say, because we are God, whatever that means, however that resonates with you, light, love, energy, Source, all that is. In that path, you don't have these systems. There's no room for these systems because you're within yourself at that point. You've turned into yourself, and you've remembered to reconnect, recognized, become cognizant of again, because it's something we had. We've just lost it. Our direct, not only connection, but being of and as Source, whatever that means for us.

It's a different existence. The base 10 matrix kind of becomes irrelevant at that point. So a person like me, I feel like I live between both worlds. I have to kind of play into the base 10 game. I have a child. I have a husband. Everybody thinks, I think, I'm a little bit weird. A little bit.

But that said, when you are able to turn into yourself, to release that need for that external, whether it's external responsibility over your experience, whether it's external validation, and literally turn within to connect directly to Source and be as and of Source directly in full awareness and conscious awareness, the game changes completely. You don't need systems anymore. You don't need that guidance anymore. It's not relevant.

So in that space, it's simply evolution of the soul. Clean and clear. And in that space, and I don't think any of us here are fully in that space, in that space, what we speak of as ascension, which I call conscious evolution and expansion of the spirit, expansion of our soul as we grow into our next levels, is pretty fast. It's pretty quick. It's pretty immediate. It doesn't take very long.

Whereas in our base 10, we can get there, but it's a process. We study. We focus. We learn. We have to go through the karmic cycle, the karma, which is all experiences. It's not like, “You did something wrong. No, no, no. Karma is going to get you.” It's all experiences. And we learn from all experiences. That's what karma is. That's the experience of karma. And that's the cycle that we're experiencing here under this base 10 system as well. That's it. It's just we're taking the detour path to get there. In the end, we all get there. It doesn't matter where we are in the spectrum.

Universal Laws and the Seven Hermetic Principles

Brandi Fleck: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And that both paths have experiences to give, and things to. Okay. So we've talked about the terms universal law and natural law and man's law. And I think there was one more that came up. I think you've defined most of them. Will you just give us a brief explanation of universal law to make sure everyone knows what we're talking about?

Safra Turner: Absolutely. So, I want to say existence, but I don't think any of us can comprehend. So I'm just going to go back to that term, all that is, or energy or whatever. That which was before the universe was created, and which will be after the universe is gone. And we're not the only universe out there. I mean, that's not very sensible, right?

Brandi Fleck: Right.

Safra Turner: So when this universe created, and it doesn't matter how, it doesn't matter if God was like, “Let there be light,” and then there was light. And it doesn't matter if there was a big bang and everything came into existence. It matters not. What counts here is that there is a set of laws or a paradigm on which this universe was developed.

That's universal law. These sets of laws. These are laws that are going to be across the board, across the universe, across the dimensions within our universe. They are going to be consistent across the board. They're eternal. They're never going to change. Nothing changes these laws.

Now if we're coming back down to more where we are in our learning process, a lot of times people will, I would say, kind of mistake, but it's an easy, it's an okay mistake, they'll call it hermetic law or the seven hermetic principles.

Brandi Fleck: Yes.

Safra Turner: So basically the seven hermetic principles are seven of the main universal laws. Law of correspondence: as above, so below, as within, so without, as below, so above. We literally connect heaven and earth. Literally. Another story for another time. Very fun stuff.

Law of rhythm, where we have in our base 10 matrix, we have this belief in time, as in like you have a clock and a year and this and that. In universal law, that would be the law of rhythm or cycles. Summer turns into fall, turns into winter, and turns into spring. That will not change. It doesn't matter where we are on the planet. That will not change. We will continue constantly in our solar system, go around the sun, unless something creates something to shift that, like a boom, or an asteroid. That's going to continue.

Safra Turner: Our solar system is constantly going around the Great Sun, which is a 20,000, 26,000-year cycle. It's called the great cycle. Doesn't change. It evolves. It grows. But all of these things, they have a starting point. The universe started at some point. It had a growth. It had a middle. It had an end. And then from that end comes the restart again. That's going to be the law of cycles or the law of rhythm. What goes up is going to come down. What begins, what is, what ends.

And there's a number of different laws within there. So the seven hermetic principles, they touch on seven of them. Law of one, which I just consider all existence under one, and through one comes everything. But law of one, this is essential. We are one. We touched earlier about the divisions, and it's just a manipulation of our minds. No more and no less.

If I am you, you are me. Every single one of us in the audience are one another. We are also the tree. We are also the wall behind us. We are also God. We are also Gaia. It is what we are. And for that reason, where we know we've been trained to be very not loving of ourselves, we don't love ourselves very much. The moment that you recognize that you are one with everything else, it changes the game. You can become a master healer like that because you are aware of the fact that all you need to do is touch the universe. And you're already touching the universe because you are the universe.

Changes the game. Changes the game. So universal law is going to be just consistent across the board. And it's going to be these specific things that no matter what, you will experience them. I will experience them. Everybody, everything will experience them.

Brandi Fleck: Okay. One of those examples was really helpful, so thank you for clarifying that. And so backing up to Plato's Cave, is the moment someone chooses to turn around and stop looking at the shadows and look at what's really going on, is that the beginning of awakening and choosing the God path?

Safra Turner: Yes and no. The yes is yes because it becomes conscious. You become aware of it. The no is we're always on that path. It's just that we don't always know that we're on that path. We're not aware. And so those are the moments of that, again, like I said before, the remembrance. It's always in you. We are God. It doesn't change. It doesn't matter whether you know it or not. But when you remember it, that's that moment of turning around and becoming conscious and expanding into it consciously.

Brandi Fleck: Okay. And it's that moment, though, when you can start choosing to not be a part of the base 10 system, but you can choose a more direct path to singularity, maybe.

Safra Turner: So, yes, at that moment, you're becoming conscious. And so the choice becomes a conscious choice. Until then, we were making unconscious choices, but they were still our choices.

Nobody can control you except for you. Nobody has power over you except for you. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who and where you are. And I can share a story from the concentration camps to actually explain this, if I may.

Brandi Fleck: Sure.

Safra Turner: Man, I wish I could remember which author it was. One of the famous authors. I don't think it was Elie Wiesel. Another one of them. And he lost his entire family in the concentration camps. And he lost everyone and everything. And he chose afterwards to come back and to write about peace and to write about connection and became a really powerful, well-known psychologist or therapist. And he got the Nobel Peace Prize.

And somebody asked him one time, “How? How? Just how? How do you lose everything? How do you see the worst of the worst in humanity, in the experience, lose everything that matters to you and come back and choose connection, love, unity?”

And he said, “Look, they can take everything from me, except what's inside of me. They have no control over that.” To the end, no control.

And that is where the game ends in the base 10 matrix. They could control your mind if you accept that. Whether you're aware of it or not, doesn't matter. Matters not. They're telling us. We just don't know that they tell us. But they can't control what's really inside of you. They cannot control your spirit and your spark.

So when we make that choice to turn around, we also have the option in that moment to relinquish that control that we have given them, that power that we have given them over us, and choose to take back our own power. It's a reclamation of power.

We're always on the path. We just don't know that we're on the path. We are always in control. We just don't know that we're in control. We are always the ones in power. We just don't know it. And that turning around moment is when it becomes conscious.

Epstein Files, Shadow Work, and Collective Awakening

Brandi Fleck: Okay. Well, I would love to kind of wrap up. I'm definitely going to make sure we get all your links to all the cool things you're doing out in the world in just a minute. To wrap up, though, I would love to ground this into human life, like just 3D, where a lot of people are, and bring in a real world example.

So I'm going to go there. The Epstein files have been released, I guess parts of them. Some people are looking at them. Some people think things need to change because of them. Other people are kind of turning their heads. At this point when we're recording, we're recording at the end of February, which there'll be some time in between when we're recording and when this is released, but at this point, nothing much is happening in the United States except people are just turning away from the shadow to what's going on in the world in a lot of ways. What happens next?

Safra Turner: Well, that's a big question. Okay. So again, I come from a very Safra perspective on things. Let me start there. Let me start at the end and work backwards.

You said a lot of people are turning around. High-stakes games have high-stakes wins and high-stakes losses. When the dark ones play their high-stakes games and they get busted for it, people can make a choice in that to wake up through that because they see dark ones like, “Whoa, I don't want to be a part of this. Thank you.” Or people can choose to ignore it and continue on their merry ways pretending that everything is going on.

Now, full disclosure, I've turned off the news a long time ago. I don't watch these things. I do know that they were released this time. The last time while I was still watching news was probably about six months ago, a year ago, where they were talking about releasing, and I remember five, six years ago when it was a big deal to me.

So these are, as I said earlier, where when I talk about darkness, I'm not talking about evil. I'm talking about that darkness gives us an opportunity to find light. They're shining a light, or a light has been shined on that darkness, whether it's all of the light. The distraction here, by the way, because there's a distraction in this, the distraction is we're so busy focusing on that, we're not focusing on shifting. We're like, “Oh, that's gross. I want nothing to do with that. I'm pushing against that.”

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And to push back on something is to give it power. If you're fighting a system, you're telling the system, “You're legitimate. That's why I'm going to fight against you.” Instead of stepping away from a system, for example, what we've done here at our home. We raise a lot of our animals for all different reasons, whether it's pets or whether it's for farming. We have a vegetable garden. Ten years ago, this was not our lifestyle. We made the choice to step away from a system very, very consciously because we did not connect with that system any longer.

So what's going on with the Epstein thing is people are given a blatant choice. Do you want to be a part of it? Do you not want to be a part of it? If you're ignoring it and complacent to it, then you're a part of it whether you acknowledge that or not. It's just part of the game. If you don't want to be a part of it, you're turning around and you're seeing the other side. You're not seeing the shadows anymore.

Five or six years ago when this stuff came, seven years ago, I think it was now, when the stuff actually came out originally, I think it woke a lot of us up. And then they're hyper-focused. Both sides. And this is a sides thing. Hyper-focused. First, it was one side of the political spectrum, the hyper-focused. And then it was the other side of the political spectrum, the hyper-focused. And it went back and forth. It's really interesting to watch from my perspective because it's just a game.

What happened to those women and children is real. That happened. But it's a game for the bigger picture of things. Everything that happens to us is a game. And how are we going to respond to that game? What's coming forward, going beyond the Epstein, because I don't really care. It's not that I don't care about the individuals. I don't care about the, they're spotlighting it so that we don't focus on other things. That's kind of where that is, in my humble opinion.

We're going to go through a really difficult process for a while as a collective. Because to get to the light, we have to walk through the darkness. And we're in those moments now.

Age of Aquarius and Spiritual Awakening

Safra Turner: When COVID started, for about three years before COVID, I had been telling people, “Listen, we're going to be reaching a crossroads soon.” I didn't know that was the plan, but I knew that something was coming, and we had the choice to choose between light and darkness. It was going to be our choice. It was going to be blatant, but it was going to be our choice.

I was positive, positive that we were ready to choose light as a collective. I was so sure of it that I put my life on it. I put my business on it. I was so sure. And then COVID hit, and I watched helplessly and silently because I wasn't allowed to talk. My voice was literally removed from the public sphere as we did not choose that light. And instead, we chose to stay with what we knew. We chose to stay comfortable in what we knew, which was a very scary period for a lot of people because that was a part of what they knew as the system.

With the Epstein is another one of those things. The people have this choice. What's coming from that, though, is that because we did not choose the light when given the blatant opportunity to choose light, rather we did choose to just continue with the system. And then unfortunately, that's not in light. That is a fairly dark moment in time. We have to go through that darkness. We have to get through that period. It's not a bad thing.

It's the phoenix rises from the ashes moment. But in these moments right here and right now, it's a little bit dark. It's a little bit rough to go through. And it's going to last for, I don't know, 20, 30 more years, something like that. But when it calms down, you're talking about the entry into the Age of Aquarius. This transition right now, this is because we've exited Pisces and we've entered into Aquarius.

And be aware, Pisces is the last in the zodiac. That's the end of the great cycle in that 26,000-year cycle I was talking about with the going around Central Sun. We are now moving into the Age of Aquarius. This is new beginnings. Spiritual awakening. Conscious expansion. All of these things that we're talking about is going to become the normal. We just have to get through this transition period to get there. That's it.

Brandi Fleck: I really hope that we get through it in my lifetime.

Safra Turner: Me too. I hope so as well. I would love to see that happen.

Brandi Fleck: Yeah. I'm just trusting the process on that, for sure. Well, this has all been very insightful. And I feel like there's a lot of information here that anybody can listen to and kind of decide. Use this information to decide how you want to make the shift, how you want to be in the transition.

Where to Find Safra Turner and iHolistica Institute

And with that, Safra, would you please tell us where people can find you, how they can work with you, all of that good stuff?

Safra Turner: Absolutely. So I always recommend start specifically with our website, which is up, and I don't think they're going to be able to take it down because I figured out some good ways to work around that. It's www.iholistica.com. This is a PMA. And let me just explain this really quick. A PMA is a private membership association.

The way that we were able to work around the censorship and the suppression is to utilize man's law as its own laws, use their own rules for them to have to stand on their own rules. In the United States, you are allowed First Amendment rights. You have specific rights, freedom of expression, freedom of religion. So we've developed a faith-based membership association. We're allowed to speak clearly, but it has to be behind closed doors.

So come to the site. Join the membership. It's free. There's never, ever a charge because this is not about money. And this has to be so clear. I will work with anybody. And yes, there are payment-based programs, diploma programs, one-on-one programs. I can do holistic health and numerous different programs that we can do. But that's not what this is about. What this is about is supporting the spark to awaken and to expand.

So when you go into the membership, you have in there a library of suppressed books. You have an article base. At the moment, I think we have, you said this is February, so we have probably about 50, 60 articles now. And every month, we have a mailing list that we send out where you're going to have abilities to, things that you can implement right there in your own life. And then you can come back to the website for the articles if you did not want to see them ahead of time in this mailing list.

You're going to have free courses in there to learn about the base 10 and the base 12 matrices, becoming a partner in your own health. And I will keep adding to these over time because, again, we're not here for the money. We are here to expand conscious minds and support the sparks into their awakening. And it doesn't matter how that happens. It matters that that happens.

And then to that end, on the local, we're starting Heal-Treats here in March. Heal-Treats are one-day-long healing retreats, five times in 2026, that we are going to be running right here on our farmstead. And we will be having an online summit in June. I don't know, this might be too far down. I'm sorry.

Brandi Fleck: I think that'll be great.

Safra Turner: Cool. So we have an online summit that we're going to be running in June as well that I'm very much looking forward to. The work that we do is about networking and bringing us together, bringing power healers and power light workers together so we can do our work together collectively to support. So it's going to be all about Phoenix Rising and our power within that. I'll be looking forward to see how some of that stuff plays out.

Brandi Fleck: Safra, thank you so much for coming on the show today.

Safra Turner: I appreciate you as well. Thank you, Brandi. Thank you.